MORE on: AIRS is Plagiarizing?

I posted the following message on Thursday of the past week: AIRS is plagiarizing? Someone forwarded me Lou Adler's Newsletter yesterday and the very first paragraph states: "Question of the Week: A few dozen people asked this week if AIRS has a license to use our Performance-based Interviewing class. The answer is NO! We understand that AIRS has copied this information from our Performance-based Hiring and Interviewing class and from Lou's book, Hire With Your Head. As the originators of Performance-based Hiring and Performance-based Interviewing we can only speculate as to why AIRS did not properly give full attribution." What's up with this? This isn't the first time I've heard rumors about AIRS regarding this kind of activity. What's the buzz? Do you know anything? Tell me what's happenin'.
Someone here on the EDGE blog commented:
Lou Adler has a right to be pissed off. Has it happened before, you ask? Check out the comments this recent thread on ERE.net's discussion groups and decide for yourself.
And, like you, I have heard of other things.
So if AIRS does this, why do they do it? Maybe it's tough for a company that feels it has a reputation as a leading trainer to maintain, to admit that they can't come up with enough new ideas themselves, and have to take from elsewhere.
The only problem is, if you don't attribute properly and/or get permission when it's content beyond what falls under Congress' Fair Use exemption, you can get yourself into copyright lawsuits.
So, perusing that string as suggested I found this intriguing nugget from an AIRS student: “…I can say that they (AIRS) rarely, if ever, give credit for anything they teach to someone outside of AIRS. That is also evident in the newsletters I receive from them. I will say that Shally, Glenn and Maureen had given me, through their own FREE venues, about 80% of the information I received in that one expensive day last year.”
Glenn Gutmacher had asked, in the first of the string’s responses, (and it was hard to miss the terse, ticked-off intonation): Curiously, your cited example did not include any of the boolean NOT inurl and intitle terms that need to follow site:www.linkedin.com KEYWORDS in order to make sure you only get profiles and not the "junk" results of LinkedIn answers pages, directory pages, job postings, etc., when you run that type of search. Did AIRS cover that, too? Indeed, did AIRS give Shally any credit for innovating this search type during their webinar?
What’s up with this groundswell of rumbling that AIRS is taking other peoples’ stuff, repackaging it, and reselling it at greatly enhanced prices? Is it sour grapes or is it for real?
Maybe we all in this sourcing content development business should be flattered; you know that old saw about Imitation being the best form of Flattery. I’m not buyin’ it, though. I believe Imitation is the best form of Thievery.
Back in July of this year (2007) I received a mysterious missive in my email that stated: Hi Maureen: This is ________ (we spoke through MySpace not long ago). It is imperative I speak with you regarding a very serious matter regarding protecting your trade practices as soon as possible. Thank-you!!
At first I ignored it; thinking this was some kooky spam correspondence designed to get me to call about some product. But it came again: Hi Maureen: I'd like to speak with you regarding some unfair business practices and plans of other companies to use your information/training/classes in an unethical way. Please get in touch w/ me. Thanks ;-)
I looked hard at it and picked up the telephone and called. In a nutshell, what I heard (from an ex-insider at AIRS) was a disturbing tale that AIRS was planning on having someone within the organization purchase my MagicMethod course, then reformat it and resell the material. An avid fan, this person was greatly disturbed by this proposition (having, reportedly, strongly advised AIRS to contact me to work out some kind of licensing agreement for telephone sourcing training, which customers were clamoring for; and having been rebuffed on same advice and told words to the effect: "What do we need her for? We'll have _______ purchase her course, reformat it and put our own out.") This person felt compelled to warn me and named names. Believing that the fastest path is a straight line, I contacted AIRS:
I am a telephone names sourcer and I am very active in training others on the technique. Someone called me from within your organization to tell me that it was the intention of AIRS to take my telephone names sourcing training, make it their own (repackaged) and put it out there for public consumption.
I was stunned, as you can imagine, by the allegation, but as I believe the fastest way to put a stop to such misunderstandings is to go directly to the source.
As Sr. Director of Training I would imagine if this were the intent of AIRS (and this person DID NOT say you were involved) that you would know of any such surreptitious planning.
I am not against any collaboration with AIRS regarding my training products but as they are copyrighted please understand I will strongly defend any trespass upon them.
I hope we can clear the “air” on this unpleasant situation.
Soon (that very same day) after I sent that email I received communication from their Sr. Director of Training informing me that my message had been delivered to Chris Forman, the CEO of AIRS. Very soon (within an hour or two as I recall) he called, denying all of my charges above, telling me they had “no plans” to do telephone training and in the event they did decide to go there they’d “be in touch”. It was also imparted to me somewhere along the line of communications that this particular informant was a disgruntled, fired ex-contractor and this was really, only, at its heart, a "personnel" issue - I would be remiss to leave that part out, now, in this retelling. Mollified, deciding not to hold my breath and thinking “whatever” I continued on my way, doing what I can do, letting drop the whole unfortunate messiness from my mind, including the Informant's last words to me: "Be careful & keep your eyes open."
And then Lou Adler’s Newsletter shows up in my email Wednesday night and it says, electrifyingly: A few dozen people asked this week if AIRS has a license to use our Performance-based Interviewing class. The answer is NO! We understand that AIRS has copied this information from our Performance-based Hiring and Interviewing class and from Lou's book, Hire With Your Head. As the originators of Performance-based Hiring and Performance-based Interviewing we can only speculate as to why AIRS did not properly give full attribution.
I don’t know that I’ve been harmed (yet). But I don’t also know that some of my material hasn’t, indeed, been “repackaged” and isn’t being resold now as part of their “Fearless Cold Calling” product (hey, wait a minute, didn’t Chris tell me in July that AIRS had “no plans” to go into telephone training?) for $595 for a four hour online session. Oh, maybe Chris said "telephone sourcing" training, but when you tout, on the session's front page, "Planning and preparation techniques" (did this come out of my MagicMethod lesson "Five Ps - Plan Prepare Penetrate Persevere Prosper"?) and "Ways to get past gatekeepers ethically and effortlessly" (every single one of my MagicMethod modules covers Gatekeeper approaches) I feel a line (or two) may be being crossed.
I don't know that what Lou's organization has said is or isn't true; but I do know one thing - you have to be mightily concerned to put out a statement like that (or this)! I don’t know, I don’t know, I don’t know. But rest assured - I intend to find out. There’s too much smoke here for a forest fire not to be burning.
Appearance is Everything
Several AIRS courses "appear" to have content familiar with what I've seen Shally, Glenn and Lou put out:
Googling
Xtreme Lab
Performance Hiring
I wonder if Shally's recent linkedin stuff and his live.com material are in jeopardy?
"So if AIRS does this, why do they do it?"
And for those of you thinking this sounds like sour grapes – I’m not the only one who can teach telephone training effectively – but I am one who has done it and from what I’ve seen from the front page “snippets” contained at the links above, there are some very disturbing similarities that stretch beyond the telephone training.
I invite my sourcing training brethren to join in this cacophony to AIRS to answer these very serious charges. I invite anyone who has taken the latest "Fearless Cold Calling" to contact me, or Shally, or Lou, or Glenn with your "impressions" of "similarity" between our materials and theirs. It's time these "rumors" get laid to rest.
glenn.gutmacher at gmail.com
lou at adlerconcepts.com
shally at jobmachine.net
“Nothing sanitizes like sunlight.”
Respectfully,
Maureen Sharib
Telephone Names Sourcer/MagicMethod Trainer
513 899 9628
TechTrak.com, Inc.
maureen at techtrak.com
******


9 comments:
Off Topic Comment.
The speedy way The Recruiting Edge works now compared to the sluggish way it worked when it had a lot of widgets in its sidebars is proof against widgetry.
This is definitely a bad situation, at least from the sound of things, if there is any way that I can help, please let me know!
You and Shally put a ton of information out there free and clear, and to the best of my recollection, neither of you add any disclaimers that this information is not to be re-published in any form without your prior written permission.
It's kind of like if someone blogs about how cranberry sauce and peanut butter go really well together, and then I go out and put it in a cookbook as a recipe for Cape Cod peanut butter--it's good manners to give credit (and better still to pay royalties)--but it's not clear to me that this is anything other than a case of the old saying that "mediocre artists imitate, while great ones steal."
I assume your training materials for your paid classes are all copyrighted and prominently marked as such. It may be hard to prove the patrimony of specific search techniques, for instance, but if you find whole phrases or sentences lifted verbatim, then you may have something actionable on those grounds.
Otherwise, you're going to be stuck trying to prove that they couldn't possibly have discovered how to use a documented feature of a product made freely available to the entire population of the world--not necessarily a case I'd take on contingency. At best, you might be able to threaten someone with a costly discovery process, but the cost would be just as high for you, which would be just as high, likely too much so, for you.
Another thing to consider is individual watermarking of training materials. I've bought PDF books online that have my name and order number impressed on every page. This doesn't prevent illicit distribution, but it reminds everyone involved that they're doing something naughty, which is often an effective disincentive.
I guess what it really all boils down to Colin, is what you said: "...it's good manners to give credit..."
Maureen
Colin is beyond brilliant. The only people who come close to holding a candle to him are thse who pay attention to what he says and how he persuasivley he argues the point.
I am not sure where all the todo is coming from about AIRS stealing from everyone. I know they began their operations back in 1997, years before most people in the sourcing community today were even in the business. Frankly, it could be construed that many sourcing trainers actually are stealing from them. I am both happy and proud to say I have known them since 1998, sat through most of their training sessions, have been certified as a CIR, and have never known them to have the need to steal anything from anyone. Most of the search techniques taught today are no different than what AIRS was teaching more than ten years ago. It could also be construed that even the name of this blog could have been stolen from a book published by Barbara Ling in 1996, The Internet Recruiting Edge, but I don't hear anyone making a big deal out of it. Can't everyone just get along? Just my two cents.
Colin, your points were totally awesome, as well as yours Mark -
Seriously though let's take this into real context - First off how many ways can you Recruit, source, or Interview a Candidate?
And Really how many ways can you train someone in how to recruit, source or interview a candidate?
Come on - training in these areas and utilizing of these terms have been around longer than many of us have been alive... So who do we REALLY Give credit to?
What really is an original thought or idea in training in Recruiting or sourcing? Who really has created or invented the process of training in recruiting or sourcing and the implentation process?
Geez, even Zig Zigglar and SOOO many others who are NOT even in the Recruiting industry have been providing training on how to get past the Gate Keeper Ethically -- even yours truly has been discussing this publicly for a lot longer than many here have been training experts - but, for sure, it would be very difficult to expect to own rights on my comments, thoughts, ideas, etc..
Ah, I cannot just leave here without putting forth the following “In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work.”
I do have ONE Big question, has Anyone even taken the class to know if the class was even plaguerized? Or is this just an assumption, based upon a name?
Karen
hmm, after thought, strike comments and thoughts.. guess those can be indeed be "owned" - One is indeed "responsible" for one's own Verbage and comments. Nice to know..
RE DMCA - well it is also nice to know that it starts with Congress expressing its intention with regard to the purpose of The Statute including seeking to preserve the “competitive free market” and flow of information
It would really be difficult to copyright just a procedure in Recruiting Training, when that procedure is being utilized on a consistant basis.. No matter when one wrote that material.
Adler Newsletter
Edition 41, 2007
"More On AIRS: This past week we heard from many senior-level HR leaders who were deeply concerned about the idea that AIRS was using material directly from our Performance-based Hiring and Interviewing class and from Lou's book, Hire With Your Head, without permission or attribution. As the originators of Performance-based Hiring and Performance-based Interviewing we can only suggest you compare their programs to ours."
http://www.adlerconcepts.com/
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